Tsk, tsk. He's wearing far too many layers. As his personal heating implement, I'm going to have to march out to Park City, strip him down, and take
care of that.
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Goran Visnjic Part 5
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Posts: 649 (01/17/09 08:17 PM) |
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Posts: 1166 (01/18/09 03:36 PM) |
The first review of the film is in Sounds ghastly. Dreary, depressing hit you over the head with how aaaawful depression and bipolar are, with side orders of grrl power and men are useless. Yeah, wonder why they had trouble getting financing for that? Oh Goren, you should be able to do better than ineffectual husband in a downer chick flick. |
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Posts: 5548 (01/18/09 05:53 PM) Member |
I think I might like to see the film before coming to any sort of conclusion about it.
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Posts: 650 (01/18/09 06:02 PM) |
Well, let's be fair. Requiem for a Dream made me want to jump off a cliff into a pit of vipers, but it was still a good film.
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Posts: 685 (01/18/09 07:08 PM) |
I don't see anything in the reviewer's notes that suggests the film portrays men as useless or the husband as ineffectual just because he can't
cure bi-polar disorder with hot lovin'. (You could say the same thing about the wife in "A Beautiful Mind.") The "not a Lifetime movie with
a happy ending" aspect of this review actually make me more likely to watch the film eventually.
I expect it will be hard to get wide distribution for a two hour movie about mental illness, but as Pandorama points out, a downer film sometimes has its merits. And of course, we could be talking about Ingmar Bergman's entire opus. Maybe Sandra Nettleback is just more interested in artistic integrity than in opening wide. |
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Posts: 5549 (01/18/09 09:06 PM) Member |
No, I don't get that from the review, either, and I agree that the decision not to tack on a glib happy-ever-after ending in in its favour.
Obviously this isn't going to have huge mass appeal but there are an awful lot of people who have either had depressive episodes or knows someone who has who will be interested.
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Posts: 26 (01/18/09 11:05 PM) |
as one who personally has suffered from depression/bi-polar its not one bit funny and when people dont understand they tend to jump to conclusions my husband
being one of the worst cause he is simply ignorant and he is not one bit supportive thank god i do have a few friends who do understand. i wish i was able to
see this movie i would drag my husband along maybe he would learn something.
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Posts: 515 (01/19/09 02:11 AM) |
My mother suffered from depression, and had at least two failed suicide attempts that I know of, she also underwent several courses of electro-shock therapy ,
an experience that is horrific to have to watch. I don't know that I fully realized how long my mother had battled the illness until after she died and I
found her journals, but, it was just something that wasn't talked about. I think the illness is one you do try to hide from those around you, I know my
doctors have had serious concerns about my well-being on more then a few occasions since my health started failing. Even if Goran weren't in the film I
think I might see it if only to compare it with what I've been through, and in the hope that I might gain something from it. From the interviews I've
seen so far, it appears that they aren't turning this into some happily ever after/romance novel look into depression and that to me is exactly what makes
it appealing. Time will tell how it plays out with the box office, but the critics seem to think the acting is good so, maybe that will transate into the
numbers they need for a wide release.
Bleu Profond 2 a Goran Visnjic Website and Message Board: http://gogoranvisnjicatbleuprofond2.com
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Posts: 27 (01/19/09 08:32 AM) |
thanks for responding cause i dont think there is any such thing as a happy ending in these cases that is if they portray it as real?
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Posts: 1167 (01/19/09 12:48 PM) |
The critics are also using words like torpor and tedium and catatonic pacing, while trying to give it the benefit of the doubt for good intentions and good
acting.
Dealing with a mood disorder is exhausting, dealing with someone close with mood a disorder is exhausting, dealing with someone burned out and breaking down from taking care of someone with a mood disorder is exhausting. Everyone sucked in to the process has to deal with the relentless waves of incidents and consequences and carrying on/picking up the pieces/trying to keep yourself from being sucked in too far to get back out. Millions of people live that every single day, millions. We don't need self-important filmakers making tedious and exhausting movies about how tedious and exhausting dealing with bipolar is as if they think no one outside the arts community has any idea what it's like. And yes, I am talking from personal experience and a long family history. |
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Posts: 5550 (01/19/09 02:12 PM) Member |
One critic has used those words; if I went by what the critics say I'd have loved Lord of The Rings, but I hated every second of it. Every Monday The
Guardian gives a run down of how a range of national papers rated various TV, film, theatre, music and dance productions, and there is seldom any consensus
with scores ranging from 9/10 to 2/10 for the same production. Critics schmitics.
You have personal experience; other people here have personal experience and so does the director of the film. Not everyone has, and I don't see how trying to show the reality of this is in any way self important, especially without having seen anything of the film itself.
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Posts: 686 (01/19/09 02:30 PM) |
The critics are also using words like torpor and tedium and catatonic pacing
Maybe it would be useful to post links to those reviews so we can all read them and come to our own conclusions. while trying to give it the benefit of the doubt for good intentions and good acting. Are we not allowed to do the same? Many of us have had experience with bipolar friends and relatives (I include myself in that group and apparently the director of the film does as well) and some posters on this board have admitted to suffering from the disease themselves. If ownership of the board means dictating only one opinion about such a serious and personal problem, and condemning in advance any attempt to make a film about the subject, then ban me now. I'm willing to take the fall for free speech. |
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Posts: 651 (01/19/09 03:54 PM) |
I think it can be both a good film and extrutiating to watch at the same time. The nature of psychiatric illness doesn't lend itself to entertainment, and
I think if it did, I would have a problem with it being exploited. Nobody wants to be depressed, so watching a film about a woman whose life is falling apart
is probably not something people are going to line up around the block to watch.
Part of my job involves hunting down soon-to-be-released films dealing with human rights. Most of the ones I track down don't make it to wide release just because selling a film about child trafficking is near impossible. The ones that make it - Lord of War, Hotel Rwanda, Blood Diamond - have big names, big action, and guns. While Ashley Judd is a big name, she may not be enough to sell a film that's bound to leave movie patrons feeling down. |
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Posts: 516 (01/19/09 05:02 PM) |
I have posted multiple reviews over in the Helen thread on BP2, only one has been slightly negative...and they praised the acting. There are also several good
interviews on the thread where Goran and Ashley talk about the film and what it was like doing it.
Start here: http://gogoranvisnjicatbl...=1&t=490&start=90
Bleu Profond 2 a Goran Visnjic Website and Message Board: http://gogoranvisnjicatbleuprofond2.com
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Posts: 828 (01/20/09 11:07 AM) |
I can't see anything the least bit self-important about making a film on a subject that is still inexplicably taboo. Maybe those who care for others with
mood disorders wouldn't be so burned out and exhausted if the disease didn't carry such a taint in the twenty first century. As for the movie itself
being depressing, I'd love to see it come close to Long Day's Journey into Night, Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf, or my all time favorite depressing
movie,
 , Leaving Las Vegas. They were all about depression, they just
didn't say so.
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Posts: 519 (01/20/09 12:36 PM) |
It's my hope that the film will enable people to be more open about the illness. Depression has always been something to be ashamed of, you don't tell
anyone you suffer from it, if anything you put on this fake face when you're with people and then you go home and fall apart...it's a secret and that
makes it twice as deadly, in fact I think that's why people commit suicide from it. Maybe this film will open up lines of communication that haven't
been there before, and who knows, maybe it will save some lives.
Bleu Profond 2 a Goran Visnjic Website and Message Board: http://gogoranvisnjicatbleuprofond2.com
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Posts: 1168 (01/20/09 01:07 PM) |
So wait, me hating tedious depressing movies about how tedious and depressing mental illness is, means I'm attacking the civil rights of others?
Everyone needs to go back and read their own episode comments and think twice about how upsetting their constantly stated hatred of certain actors, hatred of certain storylines, hatred of certain themes might be to people who happen to like those actors or those storylines or those themes. |
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Posts: 829 (01/20/09 01:55 PM) |
Iczer eh wrote:Talk about leaping from point A to point Z. Who's talking about civil rights? We just want to give a movie with an important topic a chance. It seems a lot of us here have been able to deal with some hard personal issues without becoming hard ourselves.......and others haven't. |
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Posts: 687 (01/20/09 02:24 PM) |
how upsetting their constantly stated hatred of certain actors, hatred of certain storylines, hatred of certain themes might be to people who happen to
like those actors or those storylines or those themes
Really? Go back and read your own posts about Abby Lockhart. What hypocrisy! As for your posts about "Helen," you did not limit yourself to saying that you personally have no interest in seeing the film. Instead, you ranted about how worthless any such film must be, and you did so immediately after a couple of posters had revealed that they were interested in the movie because of their own experiences with mental illness. The "anyone who doesn't agree with me is an idiot" tone came through loud and clear in your remarks and was completely inconsiderate of real people talking about their real problems, not some fictional characters. But you're right. It's not a civil rights issue, because (and this happens to be the area of law where I practice) in order to make a free speech claim, the speech has to be about an issue of public concern. Nothing you might say about any movie or t.v. show rises to that level. So it's not an issue of free speech, just bad manners. And I finally got tired of putting up with them in silence. So good-bye and best wishes to those of you with whom I shared more civilized conversations in the past! |
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Posts: 5551 (01/20/09 05:25 PM) Member |
Well, huge difference between us discussing a show and characters we've all seen and been watching for a number of years and the pre-emptive rubbishing of
a film none of us have yet seen, don't you think? I've read the director's take on it, I've read what Ashley Judd has to say about it and her
own experiences of depression, and don't properly understand how anything approaching self importance can be inferred.
Momentator, please don't go.
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