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Relationship Spoiler Thread
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Posts: 1217 (03/29/06 08:31 PM) |
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Freyalise |
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Posts: 63 (03/30/06 09:32 AM) |
Is this for all relationships on the show, or just Luka/Abby?
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Mrs S Eyre |
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Posts: 5584 (03/30/06 09:58 AM) Member |
There are other relationships on the show?
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legaleagle1 |
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Posts: 4799 (03/30/06 11:52 AM) Member |
At the moment, there really aren't. Unless you have something to say about Pratt and Olivia, and after you have said, "she can't act", what's left to say?
Next year, I think there will be other relationships, but right now, other than Abby and Luka, all ships are in the "speculation" stage. |
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dubenko junkie |
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Posts: 494 (03/30/06 01:55 PM) |
I suppose we could argue for Neela/Gallant....but what's the point?
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Freyalise |
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Posts: 63 (03/30/06 08:40 PM) |
I'm just saying, you know, for when the time comes that there's other relationships on the show...
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littlemiranda |
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Posts: 4752 (03/31/06 12:29 PM) Luka-Lovin' Lady |
I know of a few people who are rooting for Neela and Ray - is there something actually happening there, or is it all one-sided and unrequited or what?  ***********************************
~ Ah, there's June. She walks in beauty, like the night... Only she's cycling and it's daytime. |
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fairydust13 |
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Posts: 1744 (03/31/06 12:36 PM) Luka's Kurva Nurse |
Seems to be this mutual "Oh how I want, but must'nt" dance. Absolutely nauseating.
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Doc Sharon |
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Posts: 2024 (03/31/06 02:47 PM) Banned User |
I dunno, I find Neela and Ray being all honorable and respectful of her marriage to be delightfully refreshing for this show and way more entertaining than the other dysfunctional mess of a 'relationship' that currently clogs the screen. It's kinda nice to see people with a moral POV who manage to actually restrain themselves and do the right thing on this show, we've had way too much of the other stuff over the years.
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Mrs S Eyre |
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Posts: 5584 (03/31/06 04:05 PM) Member |
What "other stuff"?
Quote: You mean Luka and Clemente of course. |
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Doc Sharon |
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Posts: 2024 (03/31/06 10:44 PM) Banned User |
Quote: Seems to me we've got plenty of characters on the show who seem to be ruled by their libidos. Sure, there are folks out there who sleep together on the first date, but there are plenty of folks, even a majority, who don't do that. There are people who are attracted to the opposite sex, but manage to keep their marriage vows anyway. Jeannie and Benton and Clemente and Jodie are not the norm, IMO. Nice to see another POV on the show and also to see a character, Neela, having serious doubts about her relationship, but removing herself from temptation rather than seeking comfort by falling into bed with someone else. We've seen character after character on the show use random sex with coworkers as a stress reliever, dating all the way back to Doug and Harper and continuing into this season. Amazingly enough, I really don't think that initiating sexual relationships with coworkers is the best or only option for dealing with life's problems and I'm glad that TPTB are showing us something different with Ray and Neela, who seem way more insightful and sensitive to the issues involved in workplace attractions than most of the others on the show. |
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littlemiranda |
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Posts: 4752 (04/01/06 05:55 AM) Luka-Lovin' Lady |
So if this Gates blokey is back, are we set for Neela/Ray/Gates? Cos TPTB should have learned by now, no good comes from triangles. Especially if they involve a character that isn't a firm favourite, and a newbie we know little about. If it goes this way, people will probably end up wanting her with Dubenko...or maybe Frank... ***********************************
~ Ah, there's June. She walks in beauty, like the night... Only she's cycling and it's daytime. |
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Doc Sharon |
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Posts: 2024 (04/01/06 09:09 AM) Banned User |
I don't picture Neela as the triangular type, we got evidence of that last eppy when she made sure that Ray knew she was going to be faithful to her hubby even if it meant cooling off their friendship. TPTB are going to have to distort her personality a lot to get one going with her at the apex. Abby has exactly the sort of attention seeking and neediness that lends itself to a triangle. The first triangle only existed because the woman at the center of it wanted it. Had she done what Neela did last eppy with Ray, there never would've been a triangle.
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Iczer eh |
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Posts: 1217 (04/01/06 01:36 PM) |
Doc Sharon
Member (4/1/06 7:49 am) Quote:I thought that what she said to Luka about not wanting him to go, about being afraid but that if she had to manage alone she would (and really, who would want the father of their baby to scarper, especially in these circumstances?) was a mile away from passive agressive whining. She was honest and open with him No, she wasn't, not in the least, IMO. If Abby was so ok with it, if she was being so honest and open and mature with him, then why did she keep returning to the topic time after time, until she finally got what she wanted? A grownup would state her case in a neutral tone, let him know she loved him no matter what, and dropped it. Abby did none of that, quite the opposite. Does anyone think she wouldn't have kept it up until the moment he stepped on the plane if he hadn't cancelled his plans? Does anyone think Luka was gettin' any lovin' from his baby if he didn't cave? Her whiny tone, aloof body language and general passive aggressiveness gave her away, as did her very squicky behaviour the moment Daddy Luka gave in to Baby Abby and she got what she wanted. Suddenly, she's all smiles and smoochiness, after spending the entire day at arm's length, pouting, making rude remarks about men in front of patients and generally behaving like a child, letting him know that, no matter what she said, he was in the doghouse if he dared not do what she wanted. Reminded me of an eppy of a bad teen show where the spoiled daugher wants the car keys and keeps whining and pouting at her indulgent daddy until he hands them over, and then, she is all smiles, "Ooooh, you're the best Daddy in the whole wide world, Luka!" Squicky as hell, the dynamic between this pair. Contrast her behaviour to Luka's last week when she was so nasty about baptism. Did he keep returning to the topic? Did he act like a brat to her (nope, that was Abby being bratty to him)? And, when she finally told him it was ok, did he suddenly grab her in a big embrace and slip her some tongue to 'reward' her for doing what he wanted? That's this relationship in a nutshell. Abby is the spoiled, petulant child; immature demanding, attention seeking and needy. She has no problem withholding as a tactic to get her way. Luka is the indulgent daddy who just lives to see his little girl smile, who puts up with her childishness, spoils her rotten and is so grateful for any affection he gets from her that he is willing to sacrifice his self to her needs entirely. They are dysfunctional father/daughter, not partners, in this relationship and it is icky to watch. I guess it is important that it is now fully established that there is a baby at the center of this relationship, otherwise, when that baby gives birth, all hell is going to break loose when the spotlight is shifted away from her. I've seen immature women like Abby have kids and it is pretty pathetic to watch a grown woman compete with her child for attention. Having a baby is not going to make her more mature, less needy, she is not suddenly going to change and put somebody else's needs ahead of her own. She just won't, and it is going to be pathetic watching her making sure that Luka remembers who the real child is in their family. From the spoilers, that appears to be the case, she gets right in her groove, complaining to daddy that he wasn't supposed to tell grandma about the new baby. Because, of course, making sure that Daddy knows when Baby is unhappy is the most important thing in the world, no matter what might be happening to their child or how much stress he might've been under at the near loss of his family for the second time in his life. Edited by: Doc Sharon at: 4/1/06 8:01 am |
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Iczer eh |
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Posts: 1217 (04/01/06 01:37 PM) |
Mrs S Eyre
Member (4/1/06 10:03 am) Quote:she is not suddenly going to change and put somebody else's needs ahead of her own. I think that's exactly what she did in this episode. She didn't want him to go, told him so and tried to explain but also said that if she had to be alone she would manage so that, presumably, he could do this if it was so important to him. Her reaction to the news that he was staying would be wrong whatever she did do doubt. She was thankful and relieved and happy. If she'd left it at "See you tonight" I expect I'd be reading about what a miserabley ungrateful wretch she is. The comaprison with the scene regarding the baptism doesn't hold water; two completely different situations; they were looking at the time at a bereaved mother weeping over her dead daughter. No comparison. I'm not even going to go into the very particular take on the spoilers to which you are wedded because it's been hashed out at length in the spoiler thread. I'm interested though to know what your sources are for the inevitable endless scenes of her resenting the baby once it arrives. |
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Posts: 1217 (04/01/06 01:39 PM) |
Freyalise
Member (4/1/06 10:50 am) Quote:No, she wasn't, not in the least, IMO. If Abby was so ok with it, if she was being so honest and open and mature with him, then why did she keep returning to the topic time after time, until she finally got what she wanted? A grownup would state her case in a neutral tone, let him know she loved him no matter what, and dropped it. Abby did none of that, quite the opposite. If I recall correctly, Abby brought the topic of Luka going to Africa back up twice--once in the trauma room with Brooke and once afterward--because she wanted to talk about it, which calling that perfectly understandable would be an understatement, and what had already been said on the subject hardly qualified as "talking". Stars Fell From The Sky / I Do Not Belong To This World At All |
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Doc Sharon |
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Posts: 2024 (04/01/06 07:56 PM) Banned User |
Quote: I am afraid we saw two very different episodes, then. What I saw was Luka express an opinion, ONLY an opinion and get nothing but grief from her about it. Same thing that happened last week. In the past 4 months, since she decided to keep the baby, we have discovered that Luka has wanted exactly two things 1)he wants his child baptized and 2) he wanted to go to Africa as a volunteer for a few weeks. In neither case did he make any plans. In the first instance, the kid isn't even here yet, there is no way to plan. No indication that he spoke to a priest, booked a church, invited the family to the service. In the most recent eppy, Luka had not purchased a plane ticket, he didn't arrange time off work, he did absolutely nothing but tell Abby how he felt and she went right into meltdown mode. Abby has every right to tell him how she feels, but no right whatsoever to be angry at him for having feelings that do not coincide with hers, which is exactly what happened in both cases. In the first case, she insulted his family and cultural traditions and made some rather horrific remarks about baptism in general. Then, she proceeded to speak to him derisively in a code, going so far as to tell him (her BOSS, no less) that his management plan was wrong. Except it wasn't and then she threw a tantrum in the midst of the crisis. Seems to me she was pissed at him for having an opinion that didn't coincide with her own and she went out of her way to punish him for it. This week, he tells her he would like to go to Africa for 3 weeks. He has made no plans, made no promises or commitments, all he did was tell her how he felt. Abby then told him how she supposedly felt, she told him to do whatever he wanted. However, once again, in their mutual workplace, she pouted and rolled her eyes and made faces over a patient, in other words, made it quite clear to him that she was not happy with his expressed opinion. She then, in the midst of taking care of the intubated, unconscious patient, asked him if he had decided yet. When exactly was it that she thought he had time to think about anything but his job? She then rolled her eyes, crossed her arms and started going on and on about malaria, certainly an important issue and one she had every right to discuss. What she didn't have a right to was the attitude that preceded and accompanied that discussion. She also completely contradicted what she had said previously, she did indeed have an opinion on the topic and she didn't want him to go. Fine, but what was with the eyerolling and the exasperated sighs, the crossed arms and the cold tone in her voice? He didn't treat her like that when she wanted an abortion and he didn't. Finally, Abby is presenting a patient to him (her BOSS). In front of that patient, she is avoiding eye contact with Luka, making inappropriate and prejudiced remarks about men, and once again, very deliberately giving him the cold shoulder. Anyone watching could see she was pissed at him. At that point, since Luka already knew he had the pacifier ready to jam in Baby's mouth to get her to stop the mewling, he took her into a private room where she then finally came clean and told him she didn't want him to go (as if he didn't already know that). And he was able to tell her that he was forcing someone else to go in his place. So nice of her to care that he could lose his job over stuff like that. What I saw was Abby punishing Luka for having opinions with which she did not agree. He didn't do a danged thing but express his desires in both of these cases only to have her turn on him and behaved like a spoiled brat. So, what is the message here? Is this a sign of a healthy relationship? Is it OK for one partner to judge every thought and feeling of the other and to pout and complain and behave like a child if they don't agree? Is Abby allowed to judge Luka's thoughts and get angry at him for not agreeing with her? Seems to me, the message here is that Luka had better be very careful about sharing his feelings with Abby, she doesn't respect him enough to permit him the luxury of being a separate person from herself. Since Abby is now the Thought Police and Luka is going to have to agree with her on every subject or get the cold shoulder and disrespectful attitude from her, then maybe she should start opening his mail for him, tapping his phone and screening his email. She should also make sure he never talks to his father or Carter. After all, they are clearly bad influences. He gets all kinds of crazy notions from them and starts to think that he is an adult who is independent of Abby and doesn't have to get her consent before developing an opinion. |
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